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		<title>By: Mat</title>
		<link>http://www.cassyfiano.com/2009/12/men-women-and-humiliation/comment-page-1#comment-15961</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cassandra,

Yes, words do have meaning, so what exactly does &quot;strong possibility&quot; mean in your terms?  40%?  50%?  80%?  

Hey, you&#039;re the one using the terminology.  If you don&#039;t like how people interpret what you say, then use clearer language.  Strong possibility to me means &quot;good possibility.&quot;  Good possibility means +50%.  +50% means most.  Say what you mean, and don&#039;t be cute about it.  Again, you said nothing that would make me change what I said.  Sounds like you had an &quot;oopsie&quot; moment and you didn&#039;t like being caught on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassandra,</p>
<p>Yes, words do have meaning, so what exactly does &#8220;strong possibility&#8221; mean in your terms?  40%?  50%?  80%?  </p>
<p>Hey, you&#8217;re the one using the terminology.  If you don&#8217;t like how people interpret what you say, then use clearer language.  Strong possibility to me means &#8220;good possibility.&#8221;  Good possibility means +50%.  +50% means most.  Say what you mean, and don&#8217;t be cute about it.  Again, you said nothing that would make me change what I said.  Sounds like you had an &#8220;oopsie&#8221; moment and you didn&#8217;t like being caught on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
		<link>http://www.cassyfiano.com/2009/12/men-women-and-humiliation/comment-page-1#comment-15960</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mat:

...&lt;b&gt;most of the women who do those videos are forced to do so.&lt;/b&gt;

does NOT equal

a &lt;b&gt;strong possibility&lt;/b&gt;. At least in English. A strong possibility says nothing about how many of these women knew their photos/tapes were being released and it certainly doesn&#039;t say that MOST of them did.

Words have meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mat:</p>
<p>&#8230;<b>most of the women who do those videos are forced to do so.</b></p>
<p>does NOT equal</p>
<p>a <b>strong possibility</b>. At least in English. A strong possibility says nothing about how many of these women knew their photos/tapes were being released and it certainly doesn&#8217;t say that MOST of them did.</p>
<p>Words have meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
		<link>http://www.cassyfiano.com/2009/12/men-women-and-humiliation/comment-page-1#comment-15921</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LS,

Yeah, I loved that part in Althouse&#039;s article where another author bitches about her husband cooking (and her book is apptly titled &quot;kitchen bitch&quot;).  Jesus, feminists flipped out totally about men not doing enough around the house.  Now that guys do cooking, they freak out about that.  For God&#039;s sake, make up your freaking minds already...Ugh!

BTW, I am an accomplished cook...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LS,</p>
<p>Yeah, I loved that part in Althouse&#8217;s article where another author bitches about her husband cooking (and her book is apptly titled &#8220;kitchen bitch&#8221;).  Jesus, feminists flipped out totally about men not doing enough around the house.  Now that guys do cooking, they freak out about that.  For God&#8217;s sake, make up your freaking minds already&#8230;Ugh!</p>
<p>BTW, I am an accomplished cook&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m rather surprised by the number of posters who throw out accusations that the women in question are bitches and then suggesting that any man who falls for them is dumb and not perceptive.&quot;

Why is that surprising, Joe?  I, for one, wouldn&#039;t put up with that nonsense, but then again if a guy ends up with someone like that (and don&#039;t tell me there aren&#039;t danger signs put up before marriage), hell ya they deserve them.  I think Roxeanne was dead on target with that comment.  

&quot;While many women are bitches, vocalizing discontent, even if means revealing private details, is overwhelmingly common amongst women and uncommon amongst men. I don’t think most women who reveal intimate details are trying to hurt their husbands or boyfriends, I think more commonly they just get going with their friends and start one-upping them, sometimes as a way to explain away their own behavior, but sometimes just because they are genuinely clueless as to the implications of what they are revealing.&quot;

Perhaps, but even if it&#039;s unintentional, I still think it shows a lack of restraint among women today (over many things, and that pretty much goes for guys too) and a lack of thinking things through.  To me, that&#039;s almost as bad as deliberately throwing that stuff out there.

&quot;Fact is this doesn’t just apply to the men in their lives; women constantly betray the confidences of even their closest friends for a myriad of reasons.&quot;

So, how does this exactly make things better for men?  I&#039;m not sure how you helped your argument there...

&quot;Do note that I try to use the word generally. My wife has slipped up a [very] few times. On one occasion it didn’t even occur to her that I would want something kept private because had it been about her she wouldn’t have cared. That said, she’s been repeatedly appalled at some of the things even distant friends have said about their spouses and has been careful to not do the same accidentally, especially due to the next paragraph.&quot;

So that would essentially mean that she should be a bit more aware of what comes out of her mouth.

&quot;(As an aside, the thing that appalls me [and my wife] even more is how nasty women can get when a friend’s marriage hits a bump. From personal experience, in comparable situations most men simply say “have you considered divorce?” Women, on the other hand, pile on with comments that get really nasty and mean. It’s not enough to have a divorce, but the woman must get even; must make the man suffer. This is true even when the woman was the one at fault! [My oldest daughter once told me that it&#039;s this kind of behavior that makes her hate hanging around with women.])&quot;

Yeah, with much anecdotal and even factual evidence concerning this, I have to reiterate that I am extremely wary of even getting into a relationship (much less marriage) these days.  It is indeed a total crapshoot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m rather surprised by the number of posters who throw out accusations that the women in question are bitches and then suggesting that any man who falls for them is dumb and not perceptive.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is that surprising, Joe?  I, for one, wouldn&#8217;t put up with that nonsense, but then again if a guy ends up with someone like that (and don&#8217;t tell me there aren&#8217;t danger signs put up before marriage), hell ya they deserve them.  I think Roxeanne was dead on target with that comment.  </p>
<p>&#8220;While many women are bitches, vocalizing discontent, even if means revealing private details, is overwhelmingly common amongst women and uncommon amongst men. I don’t think most women who reveal intimate details are trying to hurt their husbands or boyfriends, I think more commonly they just get going with their friends and start one-upping them, sometimes as a way to explain away their own behavior, but sometimes just because they are genuinely clueless as to the implications of what they are revealing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps, but even if it&#8217;s unintentional, I still think it shows a lack of restraint among women today (over many things, and that pretty much goes for guys too) and a lack of thinking things through.  To me, that&#8217;s almost as bad as deliberately throwing that stuff out there.</p>
<p>&#8220;Fact is this doesn’t just apply to the men in their lives; women constantly betray the confidences of even their closest friends for a myriad of reasons.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, how does this exactly make things better for men?  I&#8217;m not sure how you helped your argument there&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Do note that I try to use the word generally. My wife has slipped up a [very] few times. On one occasion it didn’t even occur to her that I would want something kept private because had it been about her she wouldn’t have cared. That said, she’s been repeatedly appalled at some of the things even distant friends have said about their spouses and has been careful to not do the same accidentally, especially due to the next paragraph.&#8221;</p>
<p>So that would essentially mean that she should be a bit more aware of what comes out of her mouth.</p>
<p>&#8220;(As an aside, the thing that appalls me [and my wife] even more is how nasty women can get when a friend’s marriage hits a bump. From personal experience, in comparable situations most men simply say “have you considered divorce?” Women, on the other hand, pile on with comments that get really nasty and mean. It’s not enough to have a divorce, but the woman must get even; must make the man suffer. This is true even when the woman was the one at fault! [My oldest daughter once told me that it's this kind of behavior that makes her hate hanging around with women.])&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, with much anecdotal and even factual evidence concerning this, I have to reiterate that I am extremely wary of even getting into a relationship (much less marriage) these days.  It is indeed a total crapshoot.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhat related:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/12/if-i-were-judith-warner-writing-in-new.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhat related:</p>
<p><a href="http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/12/if-i-were-judith-warner-writing-in-new.html" rel="nofollow">http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/12/if-i-were-judith-warner-writing-in-new.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m rather surprised by the number of posters who throw out accusations that the women in question are bitches and then suggesting that any man who falls for them is dumb and not perceptive. While many women are bitches, vocalizing discontent, even if means revealing private details, is overwhelmingly common amongst women and uncommon amongst men. I don&#039;t think most women who reveal intimate details are trying to hurt their husbands or boyfriends, I think more commonly they just get going with their friends and start one-upping them, sometimes as a way to explain away their own behavior, but sometimes just because they are genuinely clueless as to the implications of what they are revealing. Fact is this doesn&#039;t just apply to the men in their lives; women constantly betray the confidences of even their closest friends for a myriad of reasons.

Do note that I try to use the word generally. My wife has slipped up a [very] few times. On one occasion it didn&#039;t even occur to her that I would want something kept private because had it been about her she wouldn&#039;t have cared. That said, she&#039;s been repeatedly appalled at some of the things even distant friends have said about their spouses and has been careful to not do the same accidentally, especially due to the next paragraph.

(As an aside, the thing that appalls me [and my wife] even more is how nasty women can get when a friend&#039;s marriage hits a bump. From personal experience, in comparable situations most men simply say &quot;have you considered divorce?&quot; Women, on the other hand, pile on with comments that get really nasty and mean. It&#039;s not enough to have a divorce, but the woman must get even; must make the man suffer. This is true even when the woman was the one at fault! [My oldest daughter once told me that it&#039;s this kind of behavior that makes her hate hanging around with women.])</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m rather surprised by the number of posters who throw out accusations that the women in question are bitches and then suggesting that any man who falls for them is dumb and not perceptive. While many women are bitches, vocalizing discontent, even if means revealing private details, is overwhelmingly common amongst women and uncommon amongst men. I don&#8217;t think most women who reveal intimate details are trying to hurt their husbands or boyfriends, I think more commonly they just get going with their friends and start one-upping them, sometimes as a way to explain away their own behavior, but sometimes just because they are genuinely clueless as to the implications of what they are revealing. Fact is this doesn&#8217;t just apply to the men in their lives; women constantly betray the confidences of even their closest friends for a myriad of reasons.</p>
<p>Do note that I try to use the word generally. My wife has slipped up a [very] few times. On one occasion it didn&#8217;t even occur to her that I would want something kept private because had it been about her she wouldn&#8217;t have cared. That said, she&#8217;s been repeatedly appalled at some of the things even distant friends have said about their spouses and has been careful to not do the same accidentally, especially due to the next paragraph.</p>
<p>(As an aside, the thing that appalls me [and my wife] even more is how nasty women can get when a friend&#8217;s marriage hits a bump. From personal experience, in comparable situations most men simply say &#8220;have you considered divorce?&#8221; Women, on the other hand, pile on with comments that get really nasty and mean. It&#8217;s not enough to have a divorce, but the woman must get even; must make the man suffer. This is true even when the woman was the one at fault! [My oldest daughter once told me that it's this kind of behavior that makes her hate hanging around with women.])</p>
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		<title>By: jdc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any man considering marriage is either brain dead or not paying attention. She is dumping on you to her friends who are egging her on to dump you for every trivial mistake. Women file for 80% of the divorces in this country ever wonder why? They are taught from birth that they entitled to some fairy tale life that better be provided to them or else and the one who loses every time is the man. You need look no further then the mind boggling suicide rates and personal bankruptcies for divorced men. Marry an American woman? youve lost your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any man considering marriage is either brain dead or not paying attention. She is dumping on you to her friends who are egging her on to dump you for every trivial mistake. Women file for 80% of the divorces in this country ever wonder why? They are taught from birth that they entitled to some fairy tale life that better be provided to them or else and the one who loses every time is the man. You need look no further then the mind boggling suicide rates and personal bankruptcies for divorced men. Marry an American woman? youve lost your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cassandra,

What you said on your site...

&quot;Men will look at online images of a woman without stopping to consider for one moment the strong possibility that the woman wasn&#039;t a willing participant.&quot;

Yeah you&#039;re right.  I was WAAAY out of line with what I wrote.  Methinks my reading skills aren&#039;t that bad at all...  I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassandra,</p>
<p>What you said on your site&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Men will look at online images of a woman without stopping to consider for one moment the strong possibility that the woman wasn&#8217;t a willing participant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah you&#8217;re right.  I was WAAAY out of line with what I wrote.  Methinks my reading skills aren&#8217;t that bad at all&#8230;  I</p>
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		<title>By: rjschwarz</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjschwarz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has become somewhat common for sex tapes to be released to start a woman&#039;s career (Khardashian and Hilton for example) or jumpstart it (Pam Anderson and Tiquila). Yes the guy might be blamed but that&#039;s a fairly obvious figleaf when Paris is haggling for her cut of the tape sales and Pam Anderson has multiple tapes released. Perhaps amateur tapes are released that I don&#039;t know about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has become somewhat common for sex tapes to be released to start a woman&#8217;s career (Khardashian and Hilton for example) or jumpstart it (Pam Anderson and Tiquila). Yes the guy might be blamed but that&#8217;s a fairly obvious figleaf when Paris is haggling for her cut of the tape sales and Pam Anderson has multiple tapes released. Perhaps amateur tapes are released that I don&#8217;t know about.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I went over to her blog and read the whole thing and I’m a little annoyed about her saying that &lt;b&gt;most of the women who do those videos are forced to do so.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/i&gt;

Well, if I&#039;d actually said that, you might have a point :p

Unfortunately for you, I didn&#039;t say anything ever vaguely like that. If you&#039;re going to get annoyed, try being annoyed at something I actually said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I went over to her blog and read the whole thing and I’m a little annoyed about her saying that <b>most of the women who do those videos are forced to do so.</b> </i></p>
<p>Well, if I&#8217;d actually said that, you might have a point :p</p>
<p>Unfortunately for you, I didn&#8217;t say anything ever vaguely like that. If you&#8217;re going to get annoyed, try being annoyed at something I actually said.</p>
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