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		<title>By: Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.cassyfiano.com/2009/02/criticizing-the-messiah-may-get-you-arrested/comment-page-1#comment-10474</link>
		<dc:creator>Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Obama came to Berlin to give his famous New World Order speech, the berliners weren&#039;t allowed to brandish signs or placards or to demonstrate in any way,shape,or form. Those orders came from the Obama folks. That is not what I call freedom of speech. Or am I a radical? I guess this is change we can believe in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Obama came to Berlin to give his famous New World Order speech, the berliners weren&#8217;t allowed to brandish signs or placards or to demonstrate in any way,shape,or form. Those orders came from the Obama folks. That is not what I call freedom of speech. Or am I a radical? I guess this is change we can believe in.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen J.</title>
		<link>http://www.cassyfiano.com/2009/02/criticizing-the-messiah-may-get-you-arrested/comment-page-1#comment-8163</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in all fairness, it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; logically consistent to say:  &quot;&lt;i&gt;You&#039;re&lt;/i&gt; the ones who keep saying &#039;to abort&#039; means &#039;to murder&#039;, especially with regard to the unborn; so when &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; say &#039;Abort Obama&#039; - especially when followed directly by the phrase, &#039;Not The Unborn&#039; - what are we supposed to conclude you mean?&quot;

The problem here is not that the Secret Service investigated someone who at least superficially appeared to be calling for violence against the President.  (Because let&#039;s be honest, if the sticker-maker didn&#039;t want that interpretation to occur to at least some readers he wouldn&#039;t have done it that way.)  That is what the Secret Service is supposed to do.  The problem is that they&#039;re now straining at gnats while they swallowed camels under the Bush presidency.

To avoid typing terms that might get Cassy&#039;s blog looked at by some NSA snooper (yeah, it&#039;s fun being paranoid), just consider what would have happened if someone had tried to produce an analogue of this film -- http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/ -- today, about the current President.  If anybody connected to that film escaped Secret Service scrutiny, I would be very surprised.  But that in itself would be understandable.  To freak out over bumper stickers for one President and let feature films go by without comment for another, &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; the hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in all fairness, it <i>is</i> logically consistent to say:  &#8220;<i>You&#8217;re</i> the ones who keep saying &#8216;to abort&#8217; means &#8216;to murder&#8217;, especially with regard to the unborn; so when <i>you</i> say &#8216;Abort Obama&#8217; &#8211; especially when followed directly by the phrase, &#8216;Not The Unborn&#8217; &#8211; what are we supposed to conclude you mean?&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem here is not that the Secret Service investigated someone who at least superficially appeared to be calling for violence against the President.  (Because let&#8217;s be honest, if the sticker-maker didn&#8217;t want that interpretation to occur to at least some readers he wouldn&#8217;t have done it that way.)  That is what the Secret Service is supposed to do.  The problem is that they&#8217;re now straining at gnats while they swallowed camels under the Bush presidency.</p>
<p>To avoid typing terms that might get Cassy&#8217;s blog looked at by some NSA snooper (yeah, it&#8217;s fun being paranoid), just consider what would have happened if someone had tried to produce an analogue of this film &#8212; <a href="http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/" rel="nofollow">http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/</a> &#8212; today, about the current President.  If anybody connected to that film escaped Secret Service scrutiny, I would be very surprised.  But that in itself would be understandable.  To freak out over bumper stickers for one President and let feature films go by without comment for another, <i>that&#8217;s</i> the hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.cassyfiano.com/2009/02/criticizing-the-messiah-may-get-you-arrested/comment-page-1#comment-8154</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny that pro-abortion folks like Obama have been insisting for decades that &quot;abort&quot; does not mean &quot;kill&quot;. But now someone says &quot;abort Obama&quot; and they call it a death threat? So is abortion killing, or isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that pro-abortion folks like Obama have been insisting for decades that &#8220;abort&#8221; does not mean &#8220;kill&#8221;. But now someone says &#8220;abort Obama&#8221; and they call it a death threat? So is abortion killing, or isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: George Gushin</title>
		<link>http://www.cassyfiano.com/2009/02/criticizing-the-messiah-may-get-you-arrested/comment-page-1#comment-8153</link>
		<dc:creator>George Gushin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be for abortion until I realized it&#039;s failure rate....
Nancy Pelosi
Chuck Schumer
Al Sharpton
Bill Press
That Iranian president
Osama Bin Biden
Hillary Clinton
Hugo Chavez
Abortion...another failed liberal policy!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be for abortion until I realized it&#8217;s failure rate&#8230;.<br />
Nancy Pelosi<br />
Chuck Schumer<br />
Al Sharpton<br />
Bill Press<br />
That Iranian president<br />
Osama Bin Biden<br />
Hillary Clinton<br />
Hugo Chavez<br />
Abortion&#8230;another failed liberal policy!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean that &quot;abort&quot; means &quot;murder&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean that &#8220;abort&#8221; means &#8220;murder&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Tomare Utsu Zo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomare Utsu Zo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I hate to complain, but I wish the fellow had not let an un-warranted search of his house take place after he was submitted to an un-warranted seizure of his property, but then again, he did have a family to think about and they HAD just threaten to destroy his house if he didn&#039;t &#039;willingly&#039; forgo his rights so, I at least understand why he did.

Second, wasn&#039;t the Unabomber hero to the radical green movement or something? How would anyone associate the Unabomber with the right? *Shrugs* But then again, I wonder how anyone calls Hitler a extreame right wing loony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I hate to complain, but I wish the fellow had not let an un-warranted search of his house take place after he was submitted to an un-warranted seizure of his property, but then again, he did have a family to think about and they HAD just threaten to destroy his house if he didn&#8217;t &#8216;willingly&#8217; forgo his rights so, I at least understand why he did.</p>
<p>Second, wasn&#8217;t the Unabomber hero to the radical green movement or something? How would anyone associate the Unabomber with the right? *Shrugs* But then again, I wonder how anyone calls Hitler a extreame right wing loony.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think of it as a very oblique compliment, Cassy.  The Bush administration could ignore all the screaming of the left-wing rabid haters because they knew that for all the froth and foam, none of them would actually &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; anything - and if anybody actually tried, they&#039;d botch it before getting within a city block of the President.

Obama and his people can&#039;t be quite so blithe about the anger coming from the right.  You see, you guys&#039;ve got the guns.  And you know how to use them.

(Or so they would see it.  Because of course every rightist/conservative citizen who expresses vehement disagreement with the president is only a beer or two away from becoming the Unabomber - right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think of it as a very oblique compliment, Cassy.  The Bush administration could ignore all the screaming of the left-wing rabid haters because they knew that for all the froth and foam, none of them would actually <i>do</i> anything &#8211; and if anybody actually tried, they&#8217;d botch it before getting within a city block of the President.</p>
<p>Obama and his people can&#8217;t be quite so blithe about the anger coming from the right.  You see, you guys&#8217;ve got the guns.  And you know how to use them.</p>
<p>(Or so they would see it.  Because of course every rightist/conservative citizen who expresses vehement disagreement with the president is only a beer or two away from becoming the Unabomber &#8211; right?)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M-G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris M-G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck, according to Biden you&#039;re unpatriotic if you were against raising taxes. I&#039;ve been waiting for a news piece such as this to appear for months. It was inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck, according to Biden you&#8217;re unpatriotic if you were against raising taxes. I&#8217;ve been waiting for a news piece such as this to appear for months. It was inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HATE SPEECH — THIS IS THE UNITED STATES!&quot;

This is a profoundly important observation on your part, Cassy. Many countries (including the UK, I believe) have anti-&quot;hate speech&quot; laws that, in effect, destroy any pretense of free speech. Why? Because the government (or judges) can decide what is &#039;hateful&#039; speech and what is not. If I said, &quot;I hate Barack Obama,&quot; am I guilty of a crime? Since he is a black man I could be accused of making a racist statement. Even the *chance* that I might be accused of a crime could make me hesitant to speak my mind. That is NOT free speech. Free speech is the right to speak my beliefs FREELY without fear of prosecution.

As Americans, we all have the right to hate people, places, things and (yes) even religions or races. The KKK and neo-Nazis (as despicable as they are) have every right to hate blacks and other minorities or religions and to say so publicly.

Now, this isn&#039;t to say that there aren&#039;t consequences for our speech. Your employer might very well have the right to fire you for what you say; or you could be sued by someone for slander. But true free speech means that you shouldn&#039;t have to worry about being arrested (or investigated) for saying what you believe. (Unless, as you stated, you threaten some person or some group of people with violence.)

However, there are times when your right to speak can conflict with other people&#039;s rights. For example, in my opinion, the members of the Westboro Baptist Church do not have the right to disturb the peaceful assembly of military funerals. This, as far as I am concerned, is not so much a matter of freedom of speech as it is the right of others to gather in peace. For example, one does not have the right to shout out during a movie or church service any more than you have the right to shout out your political beliefs in the middle of the night in your neighborhood. The right to peacefully assemble to hear others speak (or to sleep!) is not trumped by your right to speak.

Sorry for the super long comment, Cassy. But this is a VERY important topic that you have beautifully addressed! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HATE SPEECH — THIS IS THE UNITED STATES!&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a profoundly important observation on your part, Cassy. Many countries (including the UK, I believe) have anti-&#8221;hate speech&#8221; laws that, in effect, destroy any pretense of free speech. Why? Because the government (or judges) can decide what is &#8216;hateful&#8217; speech and what is not. If I said, &#8220;I hate Barack Obama,&#8221; am I guilty of a crime? Since he is a black man I could be accused of making a racist statement. Even the *chance* that I might be accused of a crime could make me hesitant to speak my mind. That is NOT free speech. Free speech is the right to speak my beliefs FREELY without fear of prosecution.</p>
<p>As Americans, we all have the right to hate people, places, things and (yes) even religions or races. The KKK and neo-Nazis (as despicable as they are) have every right to hate blacks and other minorities or religions and to say so publicly.</p>
<p>Now, this isn&#8217;t to say that there aren&#8217;t consequences for our speech. Your employer might very well have the right to fire you for what you say; or you could be sued by someone for slander. But true free speech means that you shouldn&#8217;t have to worry about being arrested (or investigated) for saying what you believe. (Unless, as you stated, you threaten some person or some group of people with violence.)</p>
<p>However, there are times when your right to speak can conflict with other people&#8217;s rights. For example, in my opinion, the members of the Westboro Baptist Church do not have the right to disturb the peaceful assembly of military funerals. This, as far as I am concerned, is not so much a matter of freedom of speech as it is the right of others to gather in peace. For example, one does not have the right to shout out during a movie or church service any more than you have the right to shout out your political beliefs in the middle of the night in your neighborhood. The right to peacefully assemble to hear others speak (or to sleep!) is not trumped by your right to speak.</p>
<p>Sorry for the super long comment, Cassy. But this is a VERY important topic that you have beautifully addressed! Thanks!</p>
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